ITs finals week so I havent had time to post much, but Puzzler made a nice post on the lounge about a conversation we had and said I sould post it here:

El Topo talks about how TMM community has many different styles that can teach us new insights about game. This recently occurred to me when I was talking to Levo before I was about to help out at the Toronto bootcamp. I found this conversation to be very useful. It taught me that a good way to get a girl who isn't complying to comply is say she's giving off weird vibes and her noncompliance makes her a weirdo.

Our conversation went a little like this.

Levo: Make her say everything is cool. I do that in set now too. I'm always making girls say they are cool with me and they like me, especially if they give me a weird look. It shows social intuition and I usually get IOIs after that

Puzzler: how do you phrase that in set?

Levo: Ok like.

If i do something or say something and she gives me a weird look ill pull back and go,

"Whooa hey whats up? You're giving me a weird look thats making me kinda uncomforable. Everythings cool right?"

Puzzler: sounds good

Levo: "You were kinda freaking me feel free to walk if you arent comfortable"
then she'll be like no no you're cool

Puzzler: that is cp game

Levo: and ill be like awesome. Lets hug it out or something then stack forward. Pretty much any time a girl isnt complying with me ill say shes giving off weird vibes

Puzzler: yeah man that is very useful

Levo: and make her noncompliance out to be shes a weirdo


At the Toronto Bootcamp I got to spend a lot of time with Sinn and Cajun. One of the things I recognized immediately was they used the word(s), "Weird" or "That's weird" a lot. I think they used it whenever they disagreed with something strongly and did not want to talk about it because of the brevity of their answer.

This brought me back to the whole idea that Levo was presenting to me earlier. How when somebody is not complying to your frame, calling them or it weird makes their noncompliance out to be weird. This is the definition of a way to say that your reality is what it is and anything that does not follow with your reality is wrong.

This is great tool to win a frame battle. Whatever behavior you accept is made out to be the norm and whatever they're trying to impose on you is now 'weird'. As long as you stick to your guns and they don't continue to argue with you then you win.

I found these two insights which came from totally different places fascinating and gave me the understanding of the importance of this concept.

It is a part of having a strong reality which these instructors do have and which you can present to a girl in set.

I am going to say "that's weird" a lot more!

El Topo is right, every TMM person operates differently but you learn insights into game from all of them.

Puzzler